“hold off, So is this a Date?” Podcast Episode 209: Bottoming with Chingy | Autostraddle

Let’s make some noise for any bottoms in the home! (its me personally, the underside at home.) Bottom lifestyle is becoming rather anything™ on line lately! But what does it actually suggest to be a bottom? Why gets the society made the decision bottoming is synonymous with being afraid to ask for just what you desire? And how really does someone go-about deciding as long as they like bottoming?!

With these concerns rattling around our thoughts, requiring responses, Drew and that I understood there seemed to be one individual we could go to for a rounded, enthusiastic discussion about bottoming: The Gay Chingy AKA Chingy Nea, AKA underneath Supreme. Chingy is one of the finest individuals I’m sure composing and tweeting nowadays, so when a bottom myself, i’m recognized to contact her my personal frontrunner. Chingy helps us tease down just what it methods to end up being a bottom, the reason why she dislikes “smol bean” bottom culture, your body as hole, plus body as

total

. It is an extremely beautiful talk, if I carry out say so me! Kindly know I am aware that I state “gorgeous” approximately three thousand occasions this episode, I am also pursuing support for my personal problem. (the problem is talking like 57 year old white homosexual man.)

And! Recently’s game requires me guessing in the event the complicated plots Drew describes fit in with a motion picture or an aspiration she had circa 2006. It is not easy!


PROGRAM RECORDS

+ Read Chingy’s
Bottom Manifesto
, follow her
on Twitter
and
IG
!

+Let me reveal a summary of all movies that received used in her video game:


  • The Seventh Seal

    (1937)

  • Bringing-up Baby

    (1938)


  • Pierrot ce Fou


    (1965)

  • Black Swan

    (2010)

+Watch Anna Faris perform some most useful work of the woman job in

Smiley Face!


+Let

Shohreh Aghdashloo chat that sleep while dressed as Chrisjen


Avasarala


from

The Expanse

because you deserve that.


+Cindy Wilson of B52s is quite hot and honestly? “Love Shack” nonetheless whips!


+
Robert Mitchum
, stone-cold fox.



EPISODE


Chingy

: I’ve just been bottoming since I ended up being, I don’t know, as far back as i will bear in mind.


Drew

: Cue Rags to Riches from

Goodfellas.


Chingy

: dating back to i will remember, I always desired to be a base, no, but method of

[intro plays]


Drew

: Hi, I’m Drew.


Christina

: I Am Christina.


Drew

: Thanks for visiting

Wait, Is It a night out together

?


Christina

:

Wait, Is It a night out together?

is actually an Autostraddle podcast specialized in usually the one, the only real the greatest concern of your occasions: Wait, Is This a night out together?


Drew

: And, wow, i truly simply froze up here.


Christina

: I happened to be like, oh shit, I became designed to say some thing! [laughs]


Drew

: I’m really fast to your banter, my personal head only… The reality is that I found myself checking out over my personal game notes, which we’re not at but because we still need to present our selves. So, i’ll try to remain concentrated on one job each time.


Christina

: Focus up!


Drew

: i am Drew Gregory, I am an author for Autostraddle, and a filmmaker, and a trans lady.


Christina

: Hi, i’m Christina Tucker, forgot my personal finally name for a hot minute, no big issue. I will be in addition an author at Autostraddle as well as other locations on the web, a podcaster, a gay black woman. Which is method of it, puppy, that’s me.


Drew

: I favor it. Okay, now we-


Christina

: Now the online game.


Drew

: are we able to have fun with the online game?


Christina

: are we able to get to the game? I am able to let you know’re thrilled, I could show’re only vibrating.


Drew

: therefore, i have been maintaining an aspiration journal since 2007, plus the idea within this online game is actually-


Christina

: I didn’t understand this about you!


Drew

: Yes, it isn’t really as current today, I always take note of all my personal desires and then it’s only once one thing really sticks. But, the premise of your video game is, am I describing the storyline of an aspiration I got once I was actually a teenager, or in the morning we describing the land of a film that I appreciated once I was actually an adolescent?


Christina

: Oh son, ok.


Drew

: very, the way it is going to go is I’ll always explain it as an aspiration as well as in initial individual. So, if this was actually

Star Wars,

I’d resemble, I’m in area and that I’m combating as part of a rebellion, and there’s an evil  man that’s wearing a black colored robot suit and it also ends up he is my dad. Which is how I’ll explain it, how we describe ambitions, but often it are going to be an aspiration, often it’ll be from a movie. Ready?


Christina

: I’m something, I don’t know that i am ready, but why don’t we stone. Let us see just what i will perform here.


Drew

: Okay, i am on a beach and I also see this strange man wearing black colored. He tells me that he’s dying therefore can take advantage of a game title to determine basically reside or if perhaps he requires myself. We are able to break free, but every-where I-go, everyone is ill and that I feel Death remains following me.The merely pleased component happens when I fulfill a theater troupe and they are an enjoyable experience.


Christina

: This,i do believe, is an aspiration.


Drew

: this could be Ingmar Bergman’s

The Seventh Seal

from 1957.


Christina

: this might be gonna be a real gotcha on CT’s traditional film information, because what I know Drew, within puberty, wasn’t carrying out was actually viewing motion pictures that I’m going to acknowledge. At this point, i am variety of hoping that I’ve seen do not require. In my opinion that is to be more enjoyable in my situation.


Drew

: The second one, I’m meeting with my family many Italian US gangsters. Among gangsters requires that I provide over some funds, but my family and I also was able to avoid. We run away through all this work snowy surface, on the way I satisfy an actress and connect to the lady. We land in a suburb. In my opinion we’re going to start a new life collectively until she requires us to a big residence, and I recognize it belongs to the gangster. It had been all a trap, the gangster shows up there’s a confrontation. I eliminate him, the fantasy finishes together with the celebrity carrying out a musical number.


Christina

: Is it a movie?


Drew

: this will be a dream I got in 2008.


Christina

: Okay, wow. Boy, yeah, i assume i must just remember that , it’s 2000, its old-school Drew head. That is what i need to remember.


Drew

: Also similar, what movies was actually I enjoying at the time and exactly how a lot did that influence my ambitions?


Christina

: Well, yeah, demonstrably a lot!


Drew

: A fun fact is that I happened to be in fact, i did not consist of this because I was thinking this would provide it with away, although gangster ended up being Tony Soprano because I was viewing

The Sopranos

in 2008. Therefore, which is an enjoyable small reality. Okay, next one, i’ve a significant task, but this hot girl shows up and begins sidetracking me personally. I want to end up being together, but I additionally should get might work done, thus I tell this lady to go away. She keeps soon after me. Suddenly, a leopard seems in my room and I need to spend the remainder of the fantasy trying to catch the leopard. I am nonetheless actually stressed, I never ever finish might work, but at least the girl is hot.


Christina

: it’s are a dream you have, this has getting a Drew dream.


Drew

: This Really Is Howard Hawks’

Discussing Child

from 1938.


Christina

: No, but that’s an aspiration of yours, that is the a lot of Drew dream i have ever heard. Today at this time, I’m simply going to be spinning film background, to accommodate my whims.


Drew

: Great, i enjoy that. Okay, I’m at a party and I also don’t love anyone there. Eventually, I see this woman, I used to have a crush on and in addition we decide to leave with each other. We visit the woman residence, however they are chased off by this group of men who will be trying to eliminate the girl. We end on a beach also it appears like we’re going to end up being ok till the guys find united states. She winds up being into this various other man, thus I grab cartoonish dynamite and determine to strike me up


Christina

: Movie.


Drew

: this might be! This can be Jean Luc Goddard’s

Pierrot le Fou

, from 1965.


Christina

: Have not observed, but that sounds like a ding dang movie to me.


Drew

: Great, I favor it. There is a narration explaining a strange watercraft like design which is impossible to destroy. I want on a retreat close to the design, the refuge is kind of theater relevant, kind of spiritual. We have a crush with this lady at the refuge, but she’s a boyfriend. Amid the shows and traditions, there’s lots of drama between me personally and this also girl and her sweetheart, it stops beside me alone. There’s been a sequence revealing the boat structure is impossible to wreck because a mechanical arm fixes it in evening.


Christina

: that would be any such thing in plenty means, i’ll state motion picture again, have you thought to?


Drew

: truly a dream from 2011, that did have narration from somebody else, you understand, it happens!


Christina

: This is really good promo to have a dream log, because I believe like it will be fun if I could bear in mind my personal fantasies this way.


Drew

: Nobody really likes whenever you describe your own goals to them. I really do though, and I’m your buddy, if you wanna write down the ambitions and tell me, I would like to read about all of them.


Christina

: Okay, that’s great to know.


Drew

: You will find two more.


Christina

: Okay.


Drew

: i am in an attractive yard with a team of pals, most of us seem to be getting out of bed from becoming drugged. We’re obligated to bathe in an acid that empties pigment and in addition we become blond and blue-eyed. The individuals in charge begin training all of us to eliminate, it turns out this one will be operate by a crazy dictator, we resist getting totally brainwashed. Absolutely this girl indeed there You will find a crush on and I persuade the lady to leave with me, while escaping I get shot and killed, but the woman will get out. Whenever she departs the jail, she finds out we are in a forest generally there’s nowhere to visit.


Christina

: Film.


Drew

: that will be one fantasy within my dream diary from, we mentioned, “2007.” That it is 2006.


Christina

: Wow.


Drew

: i usually thought it was fascinating that we die inside the fantasy, nevertheless other individual continues on. Nevertheless now, there’s some weird gender things happening truth be told there, and I’m going to must consider any particular one for a time.


Christina

: Definitely do that.


Drew

: Okay, i’ve another.


Christina

: Okay.


Drew

: i have been considering the possibility to end up being a ballerina, my personal mom claims i will not manage to take action. There’s this various other woman when you look at the tv show just who i do believe is actually hot, but I’m worried she is going to change me personally. I am struggling in rehearsal, but-end upwards making using the lady, we get together. This really is hot, but i’m myself losing control, we go back to the dance tv show. My human body seems to be morphing into something else, i am worried that I’m going to mess up.


Christina

: This is a motion picture.


Drew

: Thus,

Dark Swan

.


Christina

: Yes, this is certainly

Ebony Swan

, definitely.


Drew

: perhaps you have viewed

Ebony Swan

? Which was one I thought you have observed.


Christina

: I have come across

Ebony Swan

, I… Fun reality, we continued a date with men observe

Black Swan

.


Drew

: Wow.


Christina

: simply straight things i did so.


Drew

: the thing that was that like?


Christina

: Weird, it had been odd.


Drew

: Do you such as the movie? Performed the guy like the flick?


Christina

: I think, I got already observed it, i believe I found myself like, “Let’s go find it once more.” In my opinion, I became very pro

Dark Swan,

as well as for directly heterosexual reasons, definitely.


Drew

: Sure, okay.


Christina

: And, he was like, “that has been weird.” And I was actually similar, “Oh well, we aren’t attending always date.”


Drew

: Wow, really If only him the most effective, i really hope he is someplace successful. Thank you for playing this video game beside me.


Christina

: Wow, I’m therefore grateful I went two for but a lot of we did on that.


Drew

: perhaps not terrible.


Christina

: perhaps not bad.


Drew

: You did better than Elise performed once I wished to see if it was a functional video game might work, and she was my guinea pig. Very, she only had gotten one correct.


Christina

: Fair adequate.


Drew

: Should we move on to the primary subject regarding the week?


Christina

: let us enter it, let’s have this special visitor in.


Drew

: Well, I want to 1st declare that our primary topic on the week is actually bottoming, so we could just have one extremely unique guest.


Christina

: It really is only 1 individual.


Drew

: is it possible to please introduce your self?


Chingy

: Hi, I’m Chingy Nea, also referred to as The Gay Chingy. I’m an author, Filmmaker, and gasian fabric dyke muppet. I will be additionally America’s no. 1 base.


Christina

: Yes, In my opinion when we happened to be discussing subjects therefore we’re like, “we’re able to speak about bottoming and there’s practically one person we can easily have in the pod to do so, there’s singular person who is fairly literally the Supreme.”


Chingy

: Thanks a lot for recognizing, it feels very good to own your success acknowledged, thank you


Christina

: Yes, therefore’ve done fantastic work, and here we’re acknowledging it.


Drew

: I want to understand when you feel like you turned into America’s biggest base. When was that a word and a label and an identity that you truly held onto?


Chingy

: Well, thus I typically only state, “i am the base Supreme.” Because, exactly who cares about The usa?


Drew

: Certain.


Christina

: Fair adequate.


Chingy

: Yeah, In my opinion that i usually really was effective in bottoming, but then in 2017 or something, we went to a play celebration that was only for fem leading sadists defeating me personally upwards for six to seven hours straight, plus it was only me personally, and I also was like, “Oh, i am the greatest that is ever before been.” Following, i believe from there, I just held increasing being, wow, i am very fun to view. Wow, I’m thus entertaining as a bottom, this really is wow, every person exactly who reaches top me is indeed lucky. And, it moved following that, In my opinion, immediately after which we composed a write-up known as i am a far greater Bottom versus You. Here Is The Reason Why. It actually was type a manifesto, it actually was a bottom manifesto.


Christina

: Yes, can verify.


Chingy

: And, many individuals have told me, “It really is changed how they see intercourse.” And, I like that many. Oahu is the one article on my web site that I written indeed there. I have written at

Vice

,

Teenage Style

,

Vulture

—

Autostraddle

ended up being the first place we published, actually. But yeah, that’s the one web log on my internet site, if you would like find out about it.


Christina

: i enjoy a very good brand, Everyone loves understanding a brand name, and I also genuinely believe that’s really gorgeous, simply, brand name handling of your very own bottomy your self. In my opinion, that’s really breathtaking to see.


Chingy

: thank-you, i obtained my basic authorship opportunity at

Autostraddle

because I found myself writing about becoming a bottom, and being poly, being actually strong into being a fabric dyke. And because next, i have started to discuss a lot of other things, but becoming bottom part great only sort of may be the one through distinctive line of it-all.


Christina

: Yes.


Drew

: I additionally feel like you are a rather effective base as well as in the way which you talk about, and talk about, and that I think knowledge bottoming you are really active. Whereas, i believe there are plenty of the queer area, possibly, especially the lesbian society, that perhaps thinks of bottoming as… I’m not sure-


Chingy:

Passivity

.


Christina

: Mm-hmm

(Affirmative)

.


Drew

: Yeah.


Chingy

: Yeah, I usually claim that there is much less soles than individuals believe are bottoms. I think absolutely a significant difference between being a bottom and just unsure or asking for what you want. In my opinion those are a couple of totally different things that individuals conflate.


Christina

: i’d need agree, In addition believe the way that you speak about bottoming is actually, What i’m saying is, let us just say it, a great deal much less frustrating than the way so many people discuss becoming a base or identify with bottom tradition. Because, i really do think exactly what lots of people are saying explicitly or non explicitly is merely, I am idle and don’t care to accomplish any kind of activity, activity, et-cetera, i’d like things completed to myself. And, easily need look for that out in in any manner, that affects my personal thoughts. And, you’re brilliant and thus effective at being, they are issues that Needs, bring these to me and that I will rock the world. Definitely gorgeous in my opinion.


Chingy

: thanks, I mean, that is what you should do become effective in only anything, you have to place your self out there and try and also make mistakes to get harm slightly, and, I’m not sure, learn from it.


Christina

: I think that’s a good information, honestly.


Chingy

: I’ve simply been bottoming since I have ended up being, I’m not sure, dating back i could recall. [laughs]


Drew

: Cue “Rags to Riches” from

Goodfellas

.


Chingy

: Yeah, dating back to i will remember, i wished to be a bottom. No, but form of, once I ended up being 13 or 14, I happened to be already analyzing BDSM web pages and lesbian BDSM internet sites. Very, I becamen’t under any delusions with what I found myself about, I found myself having ladies I dated in high school choke me personally aside, we knew everything I wanted. And thus, that amount of consciousness recently provided me personally a long time to understand what i’d like and figure out how to obtain it.


Christina

: Gorgeous, received, offer me personally your emotions on bottoming.


Drew

: Well, i am actually really excited to share with you this because i’m like in 2019 {when I|as I|while
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